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sablin27, who wanted something on the Weregild 'verse, specifically the Asgard/Loki relationship, and the future of the 'verse, if I were to continue it. ghostdude101 also asked for Weregild meta, but that's more character interactions and the origins of the series, so I'll do that one in a separate post.
sablin27, who wanted something on the Weregild 'verse, specifically the Asgard/Loki relationship, and the future of the 'verse, if I were to continue it. ghostdude101 also asked for Weregild meta, but that's more character interactions and the origins of the series, so I'll do that one in a separate post.Weregild: Asgard/Loki and the Future
Right. The point at which I ended the 'verse, so far at least (not that I'm sure I'm going back, at least any time soon - largely because the latter stories have increasing interactions with the angels and the war in Heaven, and since SPN ended for me at the end of S5, I've no idea where I'm going with that), is at Blood Oath, and more specifically, at the point where Gabriel realises that he will directly kill for his new family (one would think he'd have figured that out before this, but Gabriel can be a bit slow about these things). Which, in terms of the future of the 'verse, is kind of an interesting and, perhaps, somewhat ominous point.
That's the official ending point, anyway. I have written prompt ficlets suggesting other endings (particularly one where Yahweh arranges a trade, Baldr for Sleipnir, which would seem to indicate a future of relative peace between the Lokasons and the Aesir), but I'm not sure how canon those are (though that one, in particular, I would quite like to be canon).
This is ... complicated, though. In particular, by Judgement and the ficlets it was coming out of, and also Foreboding, the Odin prequel from way back when. We've been through First Father's apocalypse, yes. We've had a major watershed, and the ending, more or less, of Gabriel's open conflicts with his own family (except, of course, for the fact of Castiel's war, and where that's going ...), but Loki and the Aesir were never settled. The opposite, in fact. Odin was partially responsible, or at least involved, in the debacle at the Ellysian Motel. Odin promised, all those years ago, that once Gabriel had died in the Apocalypse, he would come for the Lokasons. Hold his Ragnarok until First-father's was done. Now, it is done. And, as shown in Judgement, the Lokasons themselves are not exactly without vengeful urges when it comes to those who have harmed them. And Lucifer only hurt them once. Odin hurt them far, far more, and far longer.
Add to that, from Odin's point of view, that Yahweh's deal with Hel basically invalidated the promise Gabriel made him, all those years ago, and means that Gabriel is still his enemy, and a lying, cheating one at that. And Yahweh, too, has become his enemy, for acting when and where he did. And Odin ... Odin is a wargod. He does not take that kind of thing lying down.
Odin ... Everything Odin has ever done has been aimed at Ragnarok. Everything he did to Loki's children was based on prophecies of what they would become at that time (which, when you look at it, became what caused them to become his enemies - wonder if anyone's pointed that out to him). All those wars he caused among mortals, to build up the armies in Valhalla, for the last battle. Odin has been preparing for his war for a long, long, long time. He has built his life around those prophecies. They are the way he views the world, what he bases his actions on (and, in some ways, why not? He paid enough for them). He won't, I think, let them go so easily, whatever new forces might threaten him. Neither, really, will Loki and his family, to judge by Indurate/Capitulate and Judgement. Gabriel was unwilling to fight his own family. He said nothing whatsoever about being unwilling to fight Odin's.
Balanced against that, though, there is that (subsequently somewhat ignored -_-;) fact that after the events of Running Games, the Lokasons had basically kidnapped Raphael, along with Castiel, and had a talk with him. Possibly drafting Yahweh in with a pointed "Anything you'd like to say, Dad?" There are still angels attacking Castiel in Blood Bond, so the Heavenly rebellion isn't over, but I suspect a lot of that is that Raph is still on sabatical, trying to get his head around things like Yahweh being alive, and not exactly in favour of this whole Apocalypse thing. So, despite Gabriel's slaughtering a number of angels who made the mistake of threatening his family, they look to be making moves to keep averting the Abrahamic apocalypse. Which might suggest that they are still looking to avoid the Norse one, as well. Especially since that was the first promise Gabriel made to Loki, when they first joined (taking the possession scene from First and Last, and First Again, rather than Weregild, but it's the same in my head) - that he would help avert Ragnarok, and the deaths of Loki's children.
So. Basically? There is a lot still to be sorted in this 'verse. Old grudges are still far from assuaged, tempers still running very high, and Gabriel has not anywhere close to the hesitancy to harm with the Aesir that he had with his own family. And the Lokasons never had it to start with. Odin certainly never did. But. There is hope, too, for at least an attempt at a peaceful ending. That little prompt ficlet could yet be a reality.
*smiles faintly* Basically? For the moment, at least, unless/until I pick it up again and start adding a more definitive ending, the future of the Weregild 'verse is whatever it most pleases you to imagine. Heh. There are things to be factored in, the extent of old grudges and the fragility of peaceful overtures. But it could still go either way. *grins* Take your pick, yes? Heh.
Right. The point at which I ended the 'verse, so far at least (not that I'm sure I'm going back, at least any time soon - largely because the latter stories have increasing interactions with the angels and the war in Heaven, and since SPN ended for me at the end of S5, I've no idea where I'm going with that), is at Blood Oath, and more specifically, at the point where Gabriel realises that he will directly kill for his new family (one would think he'd have figured that out before this, but Gabriel can be a bit slow about these things). Which, in terms of the future of the 'verse, is kind of an interesting and, perhaps, somewhat ominous point.
That's the official ending point, anyway. I have written prompt ficlets suggesting other endings (particularly one where Yahweh arranges a trade, Baldr for Sleipnir, which would seem to indicate a future of relative peace between the Lokasons and the Aesir), but I'm not sure how canon those are (though that one, in particular, I would quite like to be canon).
This is ... complicated, though. In particular, by Judgement and the ficlets it was coming out of, and also Foreboding, the Odin prequel from way back when. We've been through First Father's apocalypse, yes. We've had a major watershed, and the ending, more or less, of Gabriel's open conflicts with his own family (except, of course, for the fact of Castiel's war, and where that's going ...), but Loki and the Aesir were never settled. The opposite, in fact. Odin was partially responsible, or at least involved, in the debacle at the Ellysian Motel. Odin promised, all those years ago, that once Gabriel had died in the Apocalypse, he would come for the Lokasons. Hold his Ragnarok until First-father's was done. Now, it is done. And, as shown in Judgement, the Lokasons themselves are not exactly without vengeful urges when it comes to those who have harmed them. And Lucifer only hurt them once. Odin hurt them far, far more, and far longer.
Add to that, from Odin's point of view, that Yahweh's deal with Hel basically invalidated the promise Gabriel made him, all those years ago, and means that Gabriel is still his enemy, and a lying, cheating one at that. And Yahweh, too, has become his enemy, for acting when and where he did. And Odin ... Odin is a wargod. He does not take that kind of thing lying down.
Odin ... Everything Odin has ever done has been aimed at Ragnarok. Everything he did to Loki's children was based on prophecies of what they would become at that time (which, when you look at it, became what caused them to become his enemies - wonder if anyone's pointed that out to him). All those wars he caused among mortals, to build up the armies in Valhalla, for the last battle. Odin has been preparing for his war for a long, long, long time. He has built his life around those prophecies. They are the way he views the world, what he bases his actions on (and, in some ways, why not? He paid enough for them). He won't, I think, let them go so easily, whatever new forces might threaten him. Neither, really, will Loki and his family, to judge by Indurate/Capitulate and Judgement. Gabriel was unwilling to fight his own family. He said nothing whatsoever about being unwilling to fight Odin's.
Balanced against that, though, there is that (subsequently somewhat ignored -_-;) fact that after the events of Running Games, the Lokasons had basically kidnapped Raphael, along with Castiel, and had a talk with him. Possibly drafting Yahweh in with a pointed "Anything you'd like to say, Dad?" There are still angels attacking Castiel in Blood Bond, so the Heavenly rebellion isn't over, but I suspect a lot of that is that Raph is still on sabatical, trying to get his head around things like Yahweh being alive, and not exactly in favour of this whole Apocalypse thing. So, despite Gabriel's slaughtering a number of angels who made the mistake of threatening his family, they look to be making moves to keep averting the Abrahamic apocalypse. Which might suggest that they are still looking to avoid the Norse one, as well. Especially since that was the first promise Gabriel made to Loki, when they first joined (taking the possession scene from First and Last, and First Again, rather than Weregild, but it's the same in my head) - that he would help avert Ragnarok, and the deaths of Loki's children.
So. Basically? There is a lot still to be sorted in this 'verse. Old grudges are still far from assuaged, tempers still running very high, and Gabriel has not anywhere close to the hesitancy to harm with the Aesir that he had with his own family. And the Lokasons never had it to start with. Odin certainly never did. But. There is hope, too, for at least an attempt at a peaceful ending. That little prompt ficlet could yet be a reality.
*smiles faintly* Basically? For the moment, at least, unless/until I pick it up again and start adding a more definitive ending, the future of the Weregild 'verse is whatever it most pleases you to imagine. Heh. There are things to be factored in, the extent of old grudges and the fragility of peaceful overtures. But it could still go either way. *grins* Take your pick, yes? Heh.
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