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Just a quick digression on the subject of movieverse Nick Fury. Trying to figure out his timeline, particularly in reference to the Starks. Correct me if I'm wrong, yes? (No, seriously. Please do).
Okay. In comics, Nick Fury is immortal, right? He's been around since WWII, was part of the Howling Commandos, got hit with something immortality-inducing way back when and has been knocking around the military/spy spheres ever since.
But, unless there was something revealed about Nick Fury that I didn't see, Nick wasn't in WWII in the movieverse. He wasn't in the Howling Commandos, that was confirmed in CA:TFA, and Steve didn't seem to recognise him once we hit the modern period, so if he was involved in WWII and the fight with Hydra (which is where he was most likely to have gotten immortality, yes?), then Steve didn't see him. So. Quite probably movieverse Fury wasn't in that war. We've taken a big step sideways from comicsverse, and there's just no hint (yet) that Nick is older than he looks in this universe. That might change later, but until it is ...
Okay. So presuming that Nick isn't following his comicsverse origins here, and until we get confirmation that he's older than he looks:
If Nick is as old as he looks, then he's somewhere in his sixties (going by Samuel Jackson). Howard was in his late twenties in Captain America (at the youngest - Dominic Cooper was early thirties, wasn't he?). Tony is in his forties (of necessity, to get us over the 70 year gap between CA:TFA and the modern period - also confirmed, I think, by the fact that in IM2, the original Stark Expo was in 1974, and little!Tony is knocking around his dad's office in the background). Howard therefore had Tony somewhere in his fifties, (20 + 70, to go from the end of the war to the modern period, then minus 40 for Tony's age).
Barring immortality or something else that hasn't been revealed yet, if Nick is in his sixties, only 20 years older than Tony, then he would probably only have known Howard after Maria was already on the scene, and possibly only after Tony was already born/in-the-making. Him as a young agent in his twenties, Howard as a much older consultant/co-founder. Which ... puts something of a different slant on their relationship, and makes it somewhat interesting that Nick is refering to Howard as 'one of the best men I knew'.
That ... Okay, first? It is really, really strange, imagining Nick as a young agent. Nick as a young agent helping to found SHIELD with a much older Howard Stark is ... *blinks a bit* Quite a different dynamic from the one Nick has with ... more or less everyone in the modern period, but definitely from the one he has with Tony. And, really, from the one most people imagine he had with Howard.
All this is, of course, barring that Nick isn't revealed to be older than he seems. But since that was NOT confirmed in Captain America (which is where it would have been, if they were attempting to follow the comicsverse explanation for his immortality), or any of the prequel movies that I know of, and wasn't mentioned in Avengers either ... I mean, it might yet be revealed, but thus far ... *smiles faintly* Thus far, we've got to take what we have at face value, at least as a canon basis. Anything else is actually only conjecture at this stage. *shrugs sheepishly*
*tilts head* I think people don't really imagine Tony being as old as he is. I mean, there's actually around a twenty year age gap between him and Steve (god, Steve is so young, seriously, he's that young and he's already lost everything). Howard , if he was alive today, would be in his nineties, possibly century. Nick Fury is either immortal, or only in his sixties, in which case he's only twenty years older than Tony. As in, Steve < twenty years < Tony < twenty years < Nick. *blinks* With Howard in the middle connecting all of them, up to his death when Tony was 17. Um. Which means at this point that Howard's actually been dead longer than/as long as Steve's been alive. That's ... sort of bizarre, laid out like that.
Of course, Loki and Thor are another question again. If the war with Jotunheim was during the Viking period on Earth, and Loki was a baby then, then Loki's roughly twelve hundred years old, with Thor probably slightly older (though I don't know if that's 'slightly' as in human slightly, a couple of years, or 'slightly' as in Asgardian slightly, a couple of decades). Loki is a young (crazy) man at 1200 years old, and Thor has a millenium and change on everyone else in the cast.
And Phil was, what, in his forties? Natasha and Clint, somewhere in their thirties?
God, Steve. He's out of time, and pretty much everyone there is actually older than him. And he's leading them with the same confidence he led the Commandos, and ... That joke, "Son, just don't" ... *grins* And he's using it. He's using the fact that no-one sees him as a young man in this era, because that 70 years is in all their heads, because he's a hero from another time, and he's using that to sneak his way around into doing his job, because Steve is a sneaky son of a bitch. *grins at him*
But. When you actually look at them ... the ages in this cast are all over the map, yes?
But, unless there was something revealed about Nick Fury that I didn't see, Nick wasn't in WWII in the movieverse. He wasn't in the Howling Commandos, that was confirmed in CA:TFA, and Steve didn't seem to recognise him once we hit the modern period, so if he was involved in WWII and the fight with Hydra (which is where he was most likely to have gotten immortality, yes?), then Steve didn't see him. So. Quite probably movieverse Fury wasn't in that war. We've taken a big step sideways from comicsverse, and there's just no hint (yet) that Nick is older than he looks in this universe. That might change later, but until it is ...
Okay. So presuming that Nick isn't following his comicsverse origins here, and until we get confirmation that he's older than he looks:
If Nick is as old as he looks, then he's somewhere in his sixties (going by Samuel Jackson). Howard was in his late twenties in Captain America (at the youngest - Dominic Cooper was early thirties, wasn't he?). Tony is in his forties (of necessity, to get us over the 70 year gap between CA:TFA and the modern period - also confirmed, I think, by the fact that in IM2, the original Stark Expo was in 1974, and little!Tony is knocking around his dad's office in the background). Howard therefore had Tony somewhere in his fifties, (20 + 70, to go from the end of the war to the modern period, then minus 40 for Tony's age).
Barring immortality or something else that hasn't been revealed yet, if Nick is in his sixties, only 20 years older than Tony, then he would probably only have known Howard after Maria was already on the scene, and possibly only after Tony was already born/in-the-making. Him as a young agent in his twenties, Howard as a much older consultant/co-founder. Which ... puts something of a different slant on their relationship, and makes it somewhat interesting that Nick is refering to Howard as 'one of the best men I knew'.
That ... Okay, first? It is really, really strange, imagining Nick as a young agent. Nick as a young agent helping to found SHIELD with a much older Howard Stark is ... *blinks a bit* Quite a different dynamic from the one Nick has with ... more or less everyone in the modern period, but definitely from the one he has with Tony. And, really, from the one most people imagine he had with Howard.
All this is, of course, barring that Nick isn't revealed to be older than he seems. But since that was NOT confirmed in Captain America (which is where it would have been, if they were attempting to follow the comicsverse explanation for his immortality), or any of the prequel movies that I know of, and wasn't mentioned in Avengers either ... I mean, it might yet be revealed, but thus far ... *smiles faintly* Thus far, we've got to take what we have at face value, at least as a canon basis. Anything else is actually only conjecture at this stage. *shrugs sheepishly*
*tilts head* I think people don't really imagine Tony being as old as he is. I mean, there's actually around a twenty year age gap between him and Steve (god, Steve is so young, seriously, he's that young and he's already lost everything). Howard , if he was alive today, would be in his nineties, possibly century. Nick Fury is either immortal, or only in his sixties, in which case he's only twenty years older than Tony. As in, Steve < twenty years < Tony < twenty years < Nick. *blinks* With Howard in the middle connecting all of them, up to his death when Tony was 17. Um. Which means at this point that Howard's actually been dead longer than/as long as Steve's been alive. That's ... sort of bizarre, laid out like that.
Of course, Loki and Thor are another question again. If the war with Jotunheim was during the Viking period on Earth, and Loki was a baby then, then Loki's roughly twelve hundred years old, with Thor probably slightly older (though I don't know if that's 'slightly' as in human slightly, a couple of years, or 'slightly' as in Asgardian slightly, a couple of decades). Loki is a young (crazy) man at 1200 years old, and Thor has a millenium and change on everyone else in the cast.
And Phil was, what, in his forties? Natasha and Clint, somewhere in their thirties?
God, Steve. He's out of time, and pretty much everyone there is actually older than him. And he's leading them with the same confidence he led the Commandos, and ... That joke, "Son, just don't" ... *grins* And he's using it. He's using the fact that no-one sees him as a young man in this era, because that 70 years is in all their heads, because he's a hero from another time, and he's using that to sneak his way around into doing his job, because Steve is a sneaky son of a bitch. *grins at him*
But. When you actually look at them ... the ages in this cast are all over the map, yes?
